TEXT by Dave Doyle, NGS (10 May 2000) "NAD-83 vs WGS-84" Consider the relationship of the North American Datum1983 (NAD 83) coordinate system relative to it's relationship to earth-mass-center which is approximately 2 meters (3-dimensionally). The 2 meter "error" between datums is not really an error, but rather a difference in the location of the origin. NGS first published the NAD 83 in June, 1986. NAD 83 was the first civilian datum to have it's origin at or near earth-mass-center. Our knowledge of the location of earth center was derived from using data from the TRANSIT DOPPLER satellite system, which is the system which preceded GPS. The accuracy of Doppler positions are approximately 1 meter in each component. Consequently, our knowledge of earth center is +/- 2 meters. The initial solution of WGS 84 also used Doppler data and consequently had a +/- 2 meter origin. Improvements in GPS and other space-based positioning technologies (e.g. Very Long Baseline Interferometry, Satellite Laser Ranging etc.) have improved our knowledge of earth center to approximately 4-5 cm! These improvements have been the work of the International Earth Rotation Service (http://hpiers.obspm.fr/) using data submitted by many national surveying agencies and international academic institutions. The IERS publishes these data as part of the International Terrestrial Reference System (ITRS). In 1994, the Defense Department National Imagery and Mapping Agency (NIMA) redefined the origin and orientation of WGS 84 to be consistent with the ITRS. This is commonly referred to as the International Terrestrial Reference Frame of 1994 (ITRF94). This redefinition means that WGS 84, now more accurately referred to as WGS 84 (G873) - see http://www.nima.mil/GandG/pubs.html - "TR 8350.2 World Geodetic System 1984 It's Definition and Relationship with Local Geodetic Systems" , is now equal to ITRF94 +/- 10 cm. NAD 83 has had several improvements of the international precision using GPS. These improvements are referred to as the High Accuracy Reference Networks (HARN), and Continuously Operating Reference Stations (CORS). Consequently the internal or relative relationships of these points in NAD 83 are at the 1-4 cm level. However, we have not changed the origin or orientation of NAD 83 as has been done with WGS 84 (G873). Therefore, the "absolute" difference between points in NAD 83 and WGS 84 are approximately 2 meters. This can be seen by looking at the data sheets for any CORS site -http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/CORS/, selecting "Site Metadata", then "coordinates" and then selecting any CORS site with positions in NAD 83 and ITRF94. You will notice the positional differences are approximately 1 meter in both horizontal and ellipsoid height. I hope this answers some of your questions. I would recommend that your "colleagues" read the series of articles on reference systems published by Dr. Richard Snay and Dr. Tomas Soler in Professional Surveyor Magazine , December 1999, February 2000 and March 2000. Dave Doyle